When Horses Go From Good To Bad And How To Help Them

When Horses Go From Good To Bad And How To Help Them

Hey everybody, just going to do a video here. You hear a lot about how people get really
worried, so my horse used to be so good and I never used to have problems and now suddenly,
I don’t know what it is, he just or she just has a problem with whatever. Well, we have that here and I wouldn’t say
it’s uncommon at all. Since you hear it so often, it’s actually
a pretty common thing where a horse might be really good with something and suddenly
they’re not. Well, that guy he’s getting a little bit difficult
to be around for some reason and one of the things I sort of think about how he might
have got this way is that we’re pretty strict with him when it comes to feeding time, he’s
sort of one of those horses that gets kind of antsy when you bring the buckets around
or a brand new hay bag or something like that and so there’s been a lot of effort made to
make sure he keeps his space, it’s a safety thing, I don’t want him in my bubble, the
girls don’t want him in their bubble and so what we try to do is make sure he understands
to back off, but with that has come some, or theoretically or maybe we don’t even really
know but maybe has come some nervousness out of him so he’s actually quite touchy now and
even though he’s a real sweetheart, when he relaxes and gets back to a good place he’s
just a great horse, he’s just wonderful to be around, very gently and snuggly and all
kinds of stuff, but when it comes to just going to halter him to get him to accept just
the basic rope halter, he gets nervous, right? Anyways, so we’re going to check that out,
I’m going to show you what we’re doing, now this exercise and any exercise when it comes
to getting a horse back to where you knew they were, because we used to just walk up
to him with a halter and he’d find his way into the halter, his nose would just make
it into the halter and now he gets a little, he’s pretty edgy, and that’s dangerous too
and I’m reminded of this because I was reading an article yesterday and there was advice
in there that sometimes horses go back to the state they were in a long time ago and
you’re wondering why and the point of it was really that it’s important to just go back
to basics and start from A and make it whatever letter you can get to, don’t hold it against
them, you can’t do this exercise and can’t do this with horses unless you’re patient
and kind and everything inside of you says, you’re ok, no problem don’t worry about it,
because you can’t force it on them, otherwise they just make it through fear, so we just
keep on working on it and I’m going to borrow a statement that I really like that I heard
from a great horseman, Buck Brannaman, I saw in one of his videos or one of the clinics
I went to, he says I don’t care where they start off, I only care where they end off
and sooner or later they’re going to start off where they ended off. So what I’m going to do with this guy today
is what I’ll be doing with him until he starts off where he ends off and we can move on to
the next thing, so let’s watch that now. So as you can he approaches me nicely, he’s
all alone all the other horses are out, I’m going to open up the gate and I’m going to
leave it open. I’m just going to approach him softly, as
you can see he’s already ready to leave, he’s just not comfortable yet. So I’ll try again, I’ll come up and he’s going
to go leave, that’s ok, so I’ll wait a little and see if he’ll come back, he does want to
go out because that’s where everybody else is, I’ll try again, I’ll pet him and I’ll
back up, because he’s really worried. If I raise this rope he’s already backing
off and that’s what he’s nervous about, the rope, it’s the best tool you can use is a
rope, it’s usually going to be the only tool you’ll have. So I’m just going to ask him to come back
by coming around and see if he’ll make it. The gate’s still open, something to consider. There. Just going to be patient with him, I’m not
in a rush, just another exercise you can’t do if you’re impatient or if you have other
things to do, I’m going to pet him in other spots, you know, maybe he’s not ready for
his head to be touched. Grab his tail a little and then I’ll back
up and see what he does, and wait. See he knows to come, he used to be really
great at this, so maybe he can see me as somebody that is not going to do anything, now one
of the prime things I look for in a horse that might be nervous or scared or something
is a really tight mouth and sometimes he gets a really floppy mouth, there’s he’s sort of
having a relaxing movement of his mouth, I don’t see him as relaxed, I see he’s made
it to a point where he thought he could relax. So I”ll continue to sort of pet him on his
head, you can see that he’s just not ready for me to touch the top of his head, so I’m
just going to wait a second and he’ll come back a little lower, he’s still nervous though. Now I’m not going to bother haltering him
just yet, I’m going to be patient, check him out a little bit, looks like he’s shedding
a little, and you can see there when I reach up, his nose comes in, he’s wondering what’s
going on, so there he’s following, I’ll say wait a second, I don’t want him to leave without
me, I don’t have a halter on yet, he’s getting a little bit softer, a little bit more, now
I’ll put my hand up and he’s got his ears back and his eyes are a little bit what we
call crazy eyes for this guy, he’s just a baby, he’s still young, I don’t know if any
of his history comes in to play or if it’s just something he’s been affected by, but
I’m going to continue to just pet him, I’ll pet him and tell him he’s a good boy and ask
him to come down to me and shake his nose down a little and another thing that I’ve
learnt is that sometimes you can get to a spot if you go quick, maybe I won’t be able
to hang on to that ear right now, but if I can encourage him to stay with me real fast
before he can sort of freak out about it, there, see I’m doing an awful lot, I’ll give
him a break, I’ll block off the gate because he’s still thinking to get out and I’ll try
again, ask him to come back to me, there, I like to play with a horse’s eyes, let them
know it’s ok, make my way to the top and I’ll bother his ear a little, it’s not like he’s
been twitched or beat on or any of these things, so he knows that it’s ok but for some reason
at the very beginning of all of our interactions, just about every day he turns into this worried
horse, so now I’m just going to come around and he’s got his head really high and I’m
really not happy with that, but I’m going to bring the halter around here, ask him to
put his head over, and I’m just going to ask him to put his nose in, now oddly he does
it but he’s not comfortable with it, you can see. So I’m just going to stay with him a little,
he’s very strong, he tends to now when I bring this over here, you can see this isn’t a comfortable
or happy horse so now that I’ve got it up here, I’m actually going to take it off and
I’m going to let him breathe for a second, lick his lips or yawn or whatever it is he
needs to do, he’s still thinking that he wants to get out, so he’s kept his head low throughout
all this, and I’m going to come back and do this again, oh, he says he’s out, again this
is just a patience thing, he’ll be back, so I might help him out a little, I’ll just move
a bit, maybe I’ll come over to his front and wait, back up a little, little more, so he’ll
come over and we’ll try again, because he knows he has to come to the gate, I’m not
going to chase him down, this time I’m going to be a little more forward just going to
come in like I’ve just done, we’re just going to follow the same pattern, ask him to put
his nose in, which he knows to do so he’s got that figured out, I’m going to push him
back straight which he has a hard time with and he always needs to shake his head and
I’ll bring this over, and all of this doesn’t indicate to me a happy horse, he’s evading
my touch, if I mess around a little, he sort of gets a little nervous, I’m just going to
tie that up, and now watch this, now that I’ve got the halter on he sort of gets a little
bit better, a lot of flies, that doesn’t help, but see now there’s really not much to this. I’m not really happy with his ears but the
thing is is that he’s tolerating it, he doesn’t really try to evade my touch as much, there
his head went high, I’ll just ask him to bring it down, I know he wants out, say that’s ok,
there, so as you can see he’s actually a real snuggle bug but for some reason at the beginning
he isn’t but this is a patience thing, this is a real slow and methodical and friendly
and caring sort of deal and in time we’ll start off where we ended off, for now, I know
you’ve got a fly on you, there, anytime you can help your horse out with flies, do it,
they’ll really love you for it, yeah, see, and then and you can really really get in
here and it’ll be ok. So I’m going to take him out, that’s a good
little exercise to do, and it took ten minutes or something and it should last a little longer
for him and his brain for the next time. So hopefully you enjoyed that, a little indication,
not an indication, a demonstration, I don’t know just an exercise you can do when your
horse has gone backwards and become worried or something that it just takes a little bit
of time, they will get back to where they were, I don’t think any horse can be really
ruined, I think that they just need a little bit of patience and care and good communication,
clear communication to let them know they’re ok. OK, I’m going to take him out, hopefully you’ve
enjoyed watching this, see you guys again soon.

33 thoughts on “When Horses Go From Good To Bad And How To Help Them

  1. Hi, your fencing looks very interesting. Getting ready to make a pasture space. Is it 5 levels of rope that is forming your fence? thx

  2. Clicker train him. Train him to target. It makes them turn their head away and respectful of food willingly like a happy game. Shawna Karrasch trained for sea world then switched to horses and neuro science proves food is the best way to fix any problem… the horses LOVE it and just like when your boss takes you out to dinner, it makes the meeting go better… if that makes sense… because the pleasure and relax center is triggered by food and forms a new positive association. Pressure and release works BUT neuro science prove it triggers the worry fear side of the brain, even if the results are the same they are doing it by shutting down and giving in.. better to go with the pleasure side of their brain *:D

  3. Good video. No such thing as a bad horse. A horse is just a horse being a horse due to the way they experience their world. Mostly the way they experience the people around them. Any change is due to people.

  4. I love how you allow the horse to leave when he is uncomfortable and then try again gradually. Lovely way to respect the animal and not break his spirit.

  5. Could he be skin sensitive to the knots in the halter up near his poll? Just wondering.

    Had you tried him in a nylon halter?

    It kinda looked like he was not scared of the halter – more he disliked it – maybe because it is uncomfortable.

    Could he have some fly bites that made the skin around his poll extra sensitive?

    Nice video on the releasing of pressure and getting that return response.

  6. Waiting for the relaxation and focus can take so long sometimes but is so worth it . It takes the time it takes .It's nice you see the calming signals and you are helping him find his relaxation. When they go into the sympathetic nervous system it's nice to see them go into the peresympathetic or find his homeostasis level. Brilliant work taking the time it takes.😊

  7. Your one trainer I'm really starting to like. I think the same way. I see a You Tube Binge watch in my near future.

  8. I wonder if he just doesn't enjoy having his head touched… Like maybe he will tolerate it, but he would rather you just get on with it. My guys always seem to like it better when I go up to their shoulder as opposed to straight up to their face. Maybe it is partly just an impatience thing and he is tense and wants to go. I wouldn't wait for him to come back to me, I would drive him a bit(even if it is just at the walk and with the gate closed) and get him to hook on a bit. It might help him get a bit of energy and tension out and keep him focused on you. Either way I think your patience is lovely and you've probably already worked it out fine… This makes me feel like I should go out and halter my guys in the paddock just for a little extra practice😀. Thanks for the motivation!

  9. Good for you for recognizing that it’s something your doing and not blaming the horse for being “bad” your not a bad horseman you actually care to learn from past things that didn’t work

  10. Hello Graeme yes it's difficult to know why he is doing this when all other times he was fine. But in the end he seemed to accept the halter. But you are kind and patient with him which is helping him. Amazing how we can tell alot just with his ears. Just wondering Graeme what his name is? So thank you for the video Graeme. I will be watching to see his progress. Many thanks Graeme.
    Kindest regards Patricia

  11. Oh that is so cute. I'm having a little laugh at his name. Just thinking Graeme could he be a bit unwell. It's hard to know why he's not himself. I do hope he get back to his old self.
    Kindest regards.

  12. One of the best tips that i keep in mind was given to me by my farrier: horse training is never a solid line going up a chart. It’s filled with ups and downs.. although in the end you are going “up”, making progress. And nothing like a horse to teach you patience and make you think!

  13. When I was in high school we had 9 horses, and I knew nothing. I raised an Arabian from 4 months until he grew up to be a stallion. He was kept in a separate enclosure, and when I came to see him after opening the gate carrying a bucket of grain often, he would come barreling toward me., stopping just in time. I don’t remember ever moving my feet or being afraid. Probably should have been, but I in my naïveté just thought he was happy to see me lol. He was probably trying to show me he was high horse. Wish I had had these tools you are sharing.

  14. I had two American Warm Bloods, they were brothers born 3 days apart, same father different mothers, and one of them became deathly scared of walking in the woods. He would not go in any trail that went between trees and into the woods. And if I tried to walk him into the woods he would just freak out and even rare up. So I fenced off a new area that was about 1-1/2 acres, and half of it was pretty thick woods with just trails running through it, and I put their favorite food on the other side of the wooded area so that on his own time he would have to go through the woods in order to get to it. and I put him and his brother in there because I knew his brother wouldn't have any issue going to it, and the only way he could get some of that sweet feed was for him to overcome his fear and go into the trees. And then he would have to stand in the woods in order to eat it. And it took him like 4 hours before he just couldn't stand it anymore and he finally worked up the courage and made it to that food. So I left him in there for the rest of the week and only fed him in the trees. So it worked great because he was no longer scared of the woods.
    But I still wonder if that was the right way to go about it. My entire thought process was what would be easiest on him, and I figured allowing him to work it out on his own was the best way. And that he did.

  15. You have a really calm and compassionate approach. This chestnut guy is so tense standing, you can see every muscle is contracted, bless him. Thanks for these videos they are so instructive.

  16. I know this is an older video.. but maybe he hurt himself? Like rolling or slinging his head? I watch Ed Crothers videos about this. Maybe check him out??

  17. Hi, I noticed an Orb hovering around at the 9.40 mark. Maybe he was sensing this ? Great video and wonderful handling skills. You are so kind and patient.

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